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Re: Parakeet rescue! Help! Help! [Re: cyberbud] #397455 03/22/10 06:02 AM
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You know, I've seen those "sheaths", and I can imagine how they must hurt and be uncomfortable coming out! I have seen them on Stellas chest and she sometimes pulls them out! They look white, and after she gets it out, she sort of cracks it, and it sounds like plastic or something! I wish baby blue was still coming on here regularly; she knows all about this!! But I've also seen the little black pin feathers on the head. Poor babies!


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Re: Parakeet rescue! Help! Help! [Re: tweetymom] #397457 03/22/10 07:05 AM
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Thank You! I will try to find more info on pin feathers. I do not know what is normal, maybe i'll see my other (nice) neighbor and ask him. Also, I am going to a bird store called "wings of the World", they clip nails, beaks, and trim feathers (he still can fly), and he is clumsy. Maybe this will help?
But, Do keets itch lots?

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Re: Parakeet rescue! Help! Help! [Re: thatagirl] #397459 03/22/10 07:16 AM
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General > parakeet molting or bigger problem Birds--General - parakeet molting or bigger problem -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Expert: Chrys Meatyard - 4/13/2008 Question I have two very new parakeets. I have barely had them for them a month. I've noticed that both birds are continuously scratching and pulling out feathers. I don't know if they're molting or have mites or something. What should I do and how do I know if there is a serious problem? Get the answer below Sponsored Links Scatt or Ivermectin Airsac mites and scaly face,Scatt 20ml more Free, Many Medications www.allbirdproducts.com How To Train Parakeet Simple & Easy Training For Parakeet Training & Taking Care Of Parakeet Parakeet.Parrotsecrets.com Attracting Birds Find Tips, Bird Identifiers & Bird Watching Articles at Scotts® Site. Scotts.com/WildBirdFood Poultry Supplies Poultry supplies, products, cups, books, legbands, health products. www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/ Answer Hi, Jessica, Parrots rarely get mites, unless they are housed outside and exposed to something with mites or provided sticks from trees that contain mites. Keets can get scaly-face mites, but these look like warts on the skin on the feet/legs and around the face/beak. If your keets are molting, you'll notice feathers on the floor/bottom of cage, but your birds should only lose a few feathers per day during a molt. In addition, you would see pin feathers growing in which look like white sticks coming out from between the other feathers on your birds. This can result in scrathing because pin feathers are often itchy (similar to a man's beard/moustache growing back in). Scratching can indicate not enough humidity in the home/room your birds are in, birds not bathing regularly, fat under the skin causing itching (usually from a poor diet of all seed), etc. What you need to do is examine your birds in order to figure out if they are molting or not. Look for pin feathers and/or short feathers amongst the other feathers in an area. If not, then it's a process of elimination to find out what's going on. Get them on a better diet if they are on all seed. Allow them to bathe regularly (give them a dish of warm water or spray mist them every day/every other day). You can add some aloe vera to the water in a spray mister, but avoid spraying in the eyes/ears. Add some humidity to their room. You won't see a change overnight, so be patient. If none of the above work, come back and we'll try something else. Spread the feathers apart and look at their skin. If you see yellow deposits under the skin, this is fat and this might be why they are scratching. Keets on all seed diets are prone to fatty liver syndrome which also affects other organs in their body, including the skin (which is an organ). If you are overly concerned, you can always consult a certified avian vet. Chrys Add to this Answer Ask a Question Related Articles • Exotic Birds and Humidity • Bird Feather Conditioners - Do Birds Need a Feather Conditioner - Feather Sprays • Symptoms of Illness in Pet Birds - How to Tell if Your Bird is Sick - Signs of Sickness in Birds • Cockatiels as Pets - Choosing a Cockatiel, Cages and Feeding • Choosing a Pet Bird - !0 Signs to Look for in a healthy Bird Sponsored Links Avian Medications Avian medications for all cage bird species (Vetafarm & Morning Bird). www.FabulousFinch.com/Medications Database & BI Experts Enterprise Data Management and Data Warehousing Specialists www.mlogica.com Iams PreBiotic Pet Food PreBiotic pet food promotes health inside & out. Learn more at Iams. www.Iams.com/Pet-Health Compensation Expert Expert Witness Significant Experience www.petesmithconsulting.co (SORRY ABOUT PREVIOUS WEBSITE) PINFEATHERS User Agreement | Privacy Policy | Kids' Privacy Policy | Help Copyright © 2008 About, Inc. AllExperts, AllExperts.com, and About.com are registered trademarks of About, Inc. All rights reserved.

Re: Parakeet rescue! Help! Help! [Re: thatagirl] #397460 03/22/10 07:48 AM
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I think you have done the right thing keeping the bird. He probably would have been cruel or done something worse.

Now that you have your new little friend, you have lots of questions especially about the pinfeathers. A helpful idea is to buy a very good book on parakeets. Your book should have information on diet, health issues, and training. I bought one called "Parakeets" published by Animal Planet. The author is Nikki Moustaki. www.tfhpublications.com would be the web address on the inside jacket of the book.

There are also a ton of web sites that have information on health issues that are good references.

To put your heart at ease, it would be a good idea to get a well bird check up with an avian vet. That way you could make sure your bird is healthy. It doesn't sound like those people know anything about caring for a bird and your little guy should have a check up to make sure he is healthy.

If you get pet insurance now before you go for the first check up it will cover a lot of the costs of nail trimming, clipping and the normal check up cost as well as part of the cost of anything related to emergency problems. There are several places to buy it but if you go to the web site of the one I bought and apply they send you the papers in a couple of weeks. You tell them about your bird's health. How long you have had him and if you want just basic insurance or Emergency insurance added to the basic. You give them information on how you want to pay for it. I set it up so it is taken out of my checking account every month and it costs me $16.90 per bird.
If you do it before you take your bird in for the first time then if they find something wrong, it helps with the cost. It basically pays for itself the first time you go in. The following web address if where you can apply.

my.petinsurance.com

Or you can call 1-800-540-2016

As for pin feathers, if you look at your bird and he has little pointy things coming out of his feathers that look like he has hair gel on and his hair is spiked then that is a pin feather. They get kinda grumpy when they get them. Sometimes they don't like to fly because they stick them. When the pin feathers finally go away, they have smooth new ones and they are beautiful.



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thatagirl, First I want to start by saying I am sooo glad you kept Sparky and didn't let those awful neighbors have him back!

As for pin feathers and molting-You'll usually start seeing feathers on the cage floor or around the cage area. You'll also probably see what looks like little black dots on his forehead. These are new "pin" feathers coming in. I think the dark color is the blood in the new feather? Then until the keratin sheathe comes off they will look like spikey feathers.
And yes they Do itch a lot and he will be rubbing his head on perches etc. You might even see a white powdery substance here and there which is the keratin coming off the feathers.
A nice warm bath or misting will help with the itching, I think it helps to loosen the sheathes?? And also a Molting Supplement helps a lot too.(Comes in a can and can be found at most pet stores)
As for mites, from what I've heard if you cover cage at night with a white sheet and maybe put white paper towels on cage floor, you might be able to see the mites in the morning. And also if they have mites they(the birds lol) seem to move around alot during the night because they can't get comfortable enough to stay in on spot. Check for the nightly "poo pile" in the morning. Maybe you have noticed that under Sparky's fav sleep spot in the morning there is a good ole poo pile?? They usually tend to sleep in one particular spot at night..thus the telling pile in the morning smile So if they are fidgety at night the poops will be scattered around cage not in one pile.
Did that make any sense!? LOL
I totally agree with the others that you should get him in for a vet check. Hard telling what kind of care and nutrition he was getting in his previous home. Probably not good huh? So he could have a vitamin deficiency, and of course he was outside in the elements for a while before you THANKFULLY found him and took him in.
Welcome to "parrothood" thatagirl!! Oh the many worries and wonders LOL All SO worth it!!!!




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Just to add a bit...IF you get the bird to a vet and find mites..be sure to have the vet treat as COMMERICIAL mite treatment does MORE TO HARM even kill than help.

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Yes, and I know I told you about the Ivernectin, and it would be good to have for future use,since you're going to have him at the vet anyway, I would go ahead and let him de-mite him. They will most likely use Ivermectin, but it will be easier on birdie and you will know for sure that it has been done right.

Also, you will want to make sure the cage is clean and mite-free for when he comes back from the vet. Not sure if cleansers have been covered here yet, but careful what you use. Vinegar and hot water is the best thing. They are really sensitive to fumes and smells of any sort.

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I really wish I could take Sparky to a bird vet! I am a single Mom on perm. Disability (SSDI), Multiple Sclerosis. I have to juggle my bills every month so the phone or electricity doesn't get shut off! There is no way I can afford the vet! I can't even take my cats to the vet! I go to a "Feed Store" & buy the yearly vaccinations and do it myself! Mayby they have some bird meds?
Thank You!

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thatagirl, Don't beat yourself up over not being able to afford a vet right now. It's not as if you purposely went out and got a bird knowing you couldn't afford a vet right away if needed! Geesh, you took the poor thing in and are taking good care of him. You're learning about keet care and not just wingin it! That a girl!! LOL And you are not the only one who has found themselves living paycheck to paycheck and having to juggle things to make ends meet. I would suggest tho, that maybe you start putting just a little away whenever you can to save up for any vet bills in the future.
Exactly what are the symptoms that have you so worried?? Just itching his head on a perch? That could very well just be molting like was said previously!
If you suspect it could be mites look a little closer and do the white cover and papertowel thing tonite...check for mites and see of Sparky has a poo pile in the morning meaning he pretty much stayed put thru the night.
Here's is a link about mites, with pictures, so you know what to look out for. Warning the pics are pretty sad frown http://www.birds-online.de/gesundheit/gesparasiten/grabmilben_en.htm
There are over the counter meds for mites, Ivermectin, and Scatt. BEST treated by vet, or at least call and see if they will recommend something. BUT it might not be mites at all so I wouldn't treat for them if they're not there.
Can you post a pic of Sparky??
You can get the molting supplement I talked about at any pet store and it is good for him during a molt. Lots of vitamins n minerals to help him out and help grow healthy feathers. I think it's only $2-3 for a can.
Also, you mentioned something about maybe getting his wings clipped at some pet store? I would leave him flighted.I have a thing about taking away a birds flight frown And besides if he IS molting it would not be a good time for a wing clipping.




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