Absolutely not! I got my birds from my cousins, and it took 3 months to train them both in the same cage. When she came over (she's 10 and her brother is 12) she told me that they used to grab them with mittens and put them on their shoulders. Kirby always flew away, but Kiwi stayed. I was like, "OMG, that's why it took so long for me to train them!" They go on my finger now, when away from the cage, but they don't exactly love me. You should stop letting them fly out when they're not trained because then you'll have to force 'em back to the cage and it will think of you as the bad person more. Work on training them, and when they're done, you can let them fly out!
