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does anyone feed pellets?

Posted By: Just5398

does anyone feed pellets? - 03/24/09 07:40 PM

the vet wants me to feed 50/50 seed and pellets. Hunter will eat exact organic but the new guy eats Fusion and only picks out the seeds.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/24/09 08:17 PM

I would recommend getting a bag of pellets separate from the seeds. 1) most all pellets in seeds are colored 2) you can tell better if they eat the pellets 3) you do not throw away costly pellets because they have eaten the seed.

There are many ways to start a successful conversion.

This is something I posted in another thread, part of it deals with veggies too:

Originally Posted By: Caribbean mom :)
Keep trying but personally I would put the pellets in a separate dish. That way you are not throwing out costly pellets.

There are so many ways to introduce and change over to new foods. I know I have posted on this thread before so forgive me if I repeat myself.

My boys did the conversion to veggies with first using organic baby foods. I would sprinkle seeds on top and gently push it down in, that way, even when they are just picking the seeds off of the top, they still get the taste of the veggies while hulling them. While you are offering this (maybe 2 hours or so) you can remove any other food because you do have some familiar seed on the top so you shouldn't have to worry about starvation or anything.

Once they got to where they were eating some of the baby food on purpose, I started adding very finally chopped veggies. After a while they would eat the veggies with out the baby food or seed (though they still love a dish of baby food w/seed mixed in.)

Once they were eating the veggies good chopped up, I slowly started putting some bigger pieces in there. Some veggies they will eat whole (corn, broccoli flowers, romaine lettuce) and some I still need to chop.

Pellets you can start sprinkling them on the baby food too. Crush them fine and add them in. When you buy them, be sure they are small. Most brands, you will want to get the canary/finch size. If you get Harrison's, go with super fine.

As far as what is "right", I went through the same frustrations. What my vet said was that even at the aviary seminars he has been to, he can go to one "expert" and they will say one thing, cross the hall to another and they say something totally different.

I feed mine pellets 24/7-some will say that is not good. I feed veggies all through out the day and seeds intermittently throughout. Mostly the seeds are sprinkled on something or in a foraging toy. The foraging toy they always have access to when they are out of the cage-most of the day.

Too much protein is not good - can cause gout. Pellets have mostly about 14 grams of protein in a "serving". This is where the controversy arises as to if they should be offered 24/7 or not. I have yet to find anything that says how much protein is TOO MUCH. One of the top avian scientists worked on formulating the Harrison's pellets to most closely resemble what they would get in the wild so I have a hard time believing that the 14 gr. of protein / oz is TOO MUCH. That's me


There are other good ideas on that thread. Read more here:
http://www.wineintro.com/forum/ubbthread...Search=true#top

Also, just type "pellets" or "conversion to pellets" in this sites search and you will find many threads on the topic.

A good conversion to pellets is a must for your budgies health.

Do your guys eat veggies? That is equally important. Veggies, pellets & seed are all needed for a good healthy diet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/24/09 09:11 PM

Big fat "Ditto" to Caribbean Mom's excellent post! lol

The only thing I can add is that you can sometimes find small coffee grinders on sale for about $10 or so, to use for grinding up pellets, if needed.
Posted By: pollyannie

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/24/09 09:54 PM

My birds played with/threw the superfine Harrison's pellets and wouldn't touch the fine size. The coffee grinder made it all powdered and they didn't like that either. I finally used a regular old handcrank nut grinder to crush the fine pellets. It leaves some chunks and some powdered. This is the only way I have gotten them to eat it. They love it now. I also have it in a seperate dish from the seeds. They are really good about eating both plus the veggies.
Basically, it is a lot of trial and error. You just have to try the different ways because each flock is different.
Posted By: WhitePegasus

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/25/09 12:39 AM

My keets seem to really like the Lafeber's pellets, they smell very sweet so i wonder if that's why they like them so much. I didn't have to crush them or anything odd like that, they just ate them.
http://www.petco.com/product/6464/Lafeber-s-Premium-Daily-Diet-for-Parakeets.aspx
There is still loads of debate about seed vs pellet in the bird world. Most veterinarians i have spoken to suggest a mixture of seed, pellet and fresh fruit/vegies. I feed an 80/20 pellet/seed and offer fresh stuff daily.
Posted By: joandboys

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/25/09 01:42 AM

Harrison's also puts out a mesh. It is all ground up and is sprinkled on other food or seeds. My vet said to sprinkle a little water on the seeds and then put the mesh on them. You wouldn't have to grind anything if you bought this stuff.

I feed super fine Harrison's and my boys gobble it up. It took a long time of combining and serving separate and rejoicing when I saw them eating them right out of the dish with nothing else. After a while when they trust seeing them around and they accidently eat one, they learn that they are good. If you are concerned about cost. Measure your seed out by the table spoon and give the correct proportion of pellets to seed. Throw the old ones out for the wild birds and it hasn't really gone to waste.

The super fine is just the size of seed and they take to it easier. It is organic and has feeding directions on the bag. You can supplement with fresh veggies but because it is complete and contains veggies, it cautions you to only supplement certain veggies.

They are creatures of habit. Every day give them pellets and they will try them sooner or later. It only takes once and Voila! they are pellet eaters.
Posted By: pollyannie

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/25/09 01:48 AM

Is the mesh a rough mixture of different sizes? My birds wouldn't eat it when I tried ground up. They like a mixture They have me trained so they get what they want!! lol
Posted By: parak33tz

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/25/09 02:37 AM

I usually just put a 2 small pieces of millet in there cage everyday, as for seeds and pellets i just use seeds..if you bite into a seed its soft and sometimes sweet but..try biting into a rock-hard pellet..Yuck

id never feed them pellets unless its a must from a vet


i also feed my keets sliced fruit ex. apple slices mushed carrot and raw broccoli smile

Posted By: blumom

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/26/09 05:07 PM

I feed my birds Harrison's maybe two or three times a week. The rest of the time, they eat seeds and lots of veggies. They love to play with and gnaw on the stems of herbs like parsley, dill and basil.
Posted By: baby blue

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/26/09 05:43 PM

they sound like they are doing great! i tried pellets mixed in their food... no go. tried pellets alone, a keet will starve itself to death some times rather than try something new. i haven't had any luck, but if you do, PLEASE let me know, k ? good luck!
Posted By: kathy63

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/26/09 10:12 PM

where do you buy the Harrison's mesh or the super fine? i'm looking on line but cannot find either. i've been putting my Harrison's in a coffee grinder and sprinkling it on their seed along with some whole pellets.
Kathy
Posted By: kksuns

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/26/09 11:17 PM

I just googled it and found it here http://www.birdsafestore.com/harrisons.aspx?gclid=CNqz7ejawZkCFRNN5QodOHBNuA I didn't check shipping tho. Have you checked your local pet store?

I give more seed than pellet. Probably about 2/1. There's so much controversy about how much is too much and high protein causing gout or liver problems. I read somewhere about it causing problems further down the road like when they get to be 5 or 6 or so? I'll have to find where I read that.
*And all the veggies he can eat all day
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 02:20 AM

kksuns, I know that too much protein can cause gout BUT, have you ever seen anywhere that it says HOW MUCH protein is too much? This is something I have wondered about. I know Harrison's were developed by a major avian specialist to most come as close as possible to the nutrients they would get on a daily basis in the wild. Knowing this, I find it hard to believe they would contain too much protein. Know what I mean?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 02:33 AM

I heard that parakeets should receive no more than 25% of protein per day. I'll try to find the link where I read that.



This is not the web site I found it from, but I found another which says the same thing.

http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k42/No...=Picture1-2.png

http://www.wwvhcares.com/pdf/Avian_Nutrition.pdf
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 02:57 AM

you can purchase at the harrisons website and on there they have locations for every state.

http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/

locations:

http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/buy/index.html
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 02:58 AM

harrisons is the best but roudybush is also very very good, next best thing and they are now selling them at petsmart, for keets id get the 'mini' size smile
Posted By: joandboys

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 04:03 AM

The mesh is kinda powdery like if you ground up pellets. It leaves like a grit of good stuff on the veggies or seed if you sprinkle a little water on it first and then sprinkle the mesh.
Posted By: kksuns

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 10:20 AM

C mom, No i have never seen anywhere that stated HOW MUCH is too much. I wish there were a concrete answer to that question.It sure would save alot of worrying over it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 11:00 AM

caribean mom

the problem with bird foods in general is that not all birds are alike, each one has their own dietary needs.

a parakeet doesnt need as much protein as a macaw or a cockatiel.

i do not feed pellets everyday to my birds, the seed mix has a ton of protein and so do the pellets, so i give them pellets in the seeds only every other day.

harrisons is very good but its a general bird food geared toward "any bird" but keet owners must keep in mind they have parakeets nots macaws and cockatoos and amazons and tiels lol

too much protein does lead to gout.

you also have to keep in mind that every single pellet brand out there says that it should be the birds ONLY source for food, even harrisons, and actually harrisons even says not feed alot of veggies and fruits and if you do, only certain kinds.

well ok ... maybe the pellet is a well rounded meal but keets NEED to eat seed, they are grass birds parakeet means grass parrot for a reason lol and ive never seen ANY bird food specifically geared toward a parakeets dietary needs, seed mixes are done by size but the parrot and the tiel and the keet ones have the exact same ingredients just different sizes is all lol and the keet and tiels are mostly all millet.

and they NEED to eat those fresh foods as well, for nutrition and for enrichment.

so keet owners have to do alot of hit and miss and guessing when it comes to proper nutrition.

which is sad, you would think since they are they most common bird pet, or pet in general, that the market would be more geared toward them but it isnt.

smile
Posted By: kksuns

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 01:54 PM

I finally found the article I was talking about up above. I had come across it when I was on avianweb.com looking for breeders in my area.I clicked on one of the breeder names and it took me here http://www.plannedparrothood.com/buying.html
If you click on Avian diet (on the left)and read that page you will also find "see a letter from a breeder" click and read that too.

Still, it is the individual bird owner's call as to how much pellet they feel is right for their bird.Personally after reading so much about the bad effects of too much protein, I'd rather feed less pellet and not take any chances of giving too much. (however much that might be! lol) And balance it out with lots of veggies,and seed.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: *helwa
you can purchase at the harrisons website and on there they have locations for every state.

http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/

locations:

http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/buy/index.html


Call ahead though and be sure they carry what you want! I was very excited when I found that my sister's vet carries Harrison's. Finally I didn't have to order on line and pay shipping! I see my sister about once a month so with some pre planning, I could be covered! Guess what? We stopped by there yesterday, they don't carry the super fine pellets and they don't carry the bird bread mix!!!

Oh well, she directed us to an Avian Rehab Center about 1/2 hr. from here where they do carry at least the bird bread-she buys that there but since she has a bigger bird, she has never looked for the super fine pellets.

Originally Posted By: Ant
I heard that parakeets should receive no more than 25% of protein per day. I'll try to find the link where I read that.



This is not the web site I found it from, but I found another which says the same thing.

http://s85.photobucket.com/albums/k42/No...=Picture1-2.png

http://www.wwvhcares.com/pdf/Avian_Nutrition.pdf


Thanks for that info Ant!! So if 25 grams is the max they should have, and the pellets provide 14 grams protein, then I should weigh out 1 ounce (the amount that has 14 grams in it) and see just how much that is. I appreciate that info as I have never been able to find it!!

I feel like I am on the right track here. I feed pellets, some fresh veggies and some seeds daily. I'm good with that, my vet is good with that, and my birds are good with that (they talk to me and tell me so! LOL wink )
Posted By: kksuns

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 02:51 PM

C mom,I'm glad you feel like you are on the right track smile I'm still kind of confused! lol I read that link that Ant gave as no greater than 25 PERCENT protein not 25 grams protein. I must be missing something here. How do you figure that out?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 03:30 PM

Oh, I hope I didn't confuse anyone, the link said no more than 25% percent, I'm not sure how you would figure out grams though. confused

If you look on the back of the label on the pellets or seeds, it will tell you the protein content. I've never seen them measure protein by grams, I guess percentages makes it easier. confused I think Harrison's is 18%, Roudybush is about 12%, Seeds are about 14% generally, Nutriberries is about 12%.

I think you have to add the percentages up that are given to them in a day. The problem is though, it doesn't have a serving size on the back of the label, maybe a couple table spoons is one serving for parakeets, I'm guessing?

I would guess since seeds and pellets are both high in protein, you would have to alternate the two everyday just to be on the safe side so they're not getting too much protein. And veggies you don't have to worry about, I'm pretty sure vegetables don't contain any protein in them. I think they add waaay too much protein in these foods, it's so easy to give them too much.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 04:54 PM

I'm not home where I can look at my stuff (on vacation) I was going from memory (not such a good thing for me LOL) I was thinking the bag of Harrisons said 14 grams protein, I could very well be mistaken.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 04:59 PM

This is from the back of the bag (off of the website-link to follow) ADULT LIFETIME SUPER FINE A Certified Organic Maintenance Level Nutrient Formula for Small Parrots FOR USE IN BIRDS • after completing a dietary program of High Potency Formula for a period of at least 6 months. • as a year round maintenance formula that meets the nutritional requirements for healthy, non-breeding birds including canaries, budgies (parakeets), cockatiels, finches and other small to medium parrots. Feeding Directions: • feed fresh food daily. • to help reduce waste, feed as distinct meals. • birds may eat all they want, but use the table below as a guideline.. Supplementation It is not recommended to supplement with vitamins or other bird or animal food products. Supplementation should be limited to no more than 10% of the overall diet. Offer certified organic vegetables and fruits in small quantities; select dark yellow meaty or dark green leafy items such as sweet potatoes, carrots, pumpkin, winter squash, broccoli, parsley, spinach, mango or papaya. [For birds with suspected iron-storage disease: Avoid citrus fruits, tomatoes, kiwi, strawberries and other foods containing vitamin C. Avoid grapes, currants, raisins, liver, red meat, egg yolk or dark green vegetables such as spinach, which may contain high levels of iron.] Ingredients: *Ground Yellow Corn, *Ground Hulless Barley, *Ground Hulled Millet, *Ground Soybeans, *Ground Shelled Peanuts, *Ground Shelled Sunflower Seeds, *Ground Lentils, *Ground Rice, *Ground Green Peas, *Ground Alfalfa, *Ground Toasted Oat Groats, Chia Seed, Calcium Carbonate, Montmorillonite Clay, Ground Dried Sea Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Sea Salt, Spirulina, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, d-Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite. *CERTIFIED ORGANIC INGREDIENT Guaranteed Analysis: Crude protein (min.) 14%, crude fat (min.) 6%, crude fiber (max.) 4.5%, moisture (max.) 10% From: http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/products/alsf.html I do agree that a budgie should have some seed and do give my boys some seed, however, it is not that much. Mainly seed is used as a training (bribing) tool and a special treat.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/27/09 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: pollyannie
... I finally used a regular old handcrank nut grinder to crush the fine pellets. It leaves some chunks and some powdered. This is the only way I have gotten them to eat it. They love it now.
LOL -- some chunks and some powder is what my cheap coffee grinder makes! Ya get what ya pay for, eh? In this case, it worked out well for Pudgie!

This whole thread is very informative and interesting, in my opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: does anyone feed pellets? - 03/28/09 04:50 AM

I find if I get the super fine, I don't have to grind them at all but the last time I accidentally ordered the regular fine and that I had to grind up some. The real fine powder I stir into baby food, they gobble it up like it's going out of style!!
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