to anyone thinking of buying a bird id like to continue what was disclosed first hand in the thread "bird show was excellent" about a bird show and vendors selling birds.

this means not just the autrocities often viewed in pet stores but mostly what is unseen by people wanting to buy a bird.

i have always advocated seeking out a breeder and being absolutely sure your allowed to see the breeding operation to insure a breeder is not just a "hobbyist" and birds are in disgusting living conditions.

When you do this if you see things like...and this is not the rare situation but sadly has become the accepted norm...REPORT them so their operation is shut down.

i have personally witnessed not hear say "hobbyist" birds breeding cages with dead birds in them...

air so bad you could hardly see cleary or breath from all the seed dust and dander of the birds...

feathers everywhere stuck to bars...

severe over crowding to the birds not at the time in breeding boxes or breeding cages...

filthy nesting boxes

hard to find food cups with viable food in them

fecal droppings piled high and on perches and bars...

contaminated food cups and water containers...

floors and walls absolutely filthy from birds flinging or feathers floating and sticking...

feathers of the birds in the most horrible of condition due mostly to overcrowding but also bullying...

birds with obvious bare spots and speckles of blood showing on their skin...

NO RECORD KEEPING and easy to find out from a breeder when you ask whats the background to parents meaning age or color genetics...and why many breeders wont put leg bans on their birds.

breeders who keep records WILL have attached to all breeding cages a short sheet of dates etc. if you dont see anything like that attached to breeding cages, BEWARE , ask questions

these are the birds whose babies you will eventually find in pet stores...some are just killed outright when they cant find a petstore already overcrowded with babies (hopefully) to peddle their stock.

you the public are the best policing to these horrible conditions and need to view and report...over and over if necessary.

id like to explain cleary the definition of a "hobbyist" IMO in comparison to a dedicated responsible breeder

"hobbyist" anyone not having a "dedicated" area to breeding and keeping birds...not just a separate small room in a house...

anyone who does not keep "records" meaning they are not ethical enough to even considered the consequences of "inbreeding"

anyone who obviously has to little space for too large a operation.

anyone whose area is not meticulous...home or breeding area....because if the home is messy (as often you will be lead through the house to the breeding facility) you can bet a rush spot clean was done to their breeding area before you came...watch for small tell tale signs of filth.

anyone not being able to give you local avian vet information and who they take their own birds too or call.

anyone who wont give you a suitable answer as to where do they keep birds that get sick...etc. as separate areas should be improvised for these situations an sick birds not kept within the breeding colony...and dont let it fly if they tell you they dont get sick birds...thats totally illogical

last but not least...be discreet when your viewing and observing conditions and asking questions...doesnt hurt to play dumb you dont want them to think your not a HONEST concerned buyer and instead the animal police patrol doing random checks giggle

Last edited by illusive Fantasy; 10/13/12 11:33 PM.