Jill brought up an intriguing point which had never even occurred to me and which I think is worth investigating. Maybe it sheds some light on why some fellow students in my ethics class are acting the way they are.

The ethics class is a required part of the leadership degree so anyone going for leadership must take it. Other students are apparently taking it as a 'basketweaving' filler class, perhaps figuring it's easier that (gaaak) statistics or the other options out there to fill up their degree requirements.

But let's say you were required to take an ethics class where you discuss ethical situations. Would you enjoy it? Would you like looking at issues from different angles and different points of view? Or would you not enjoy it? If you wouldn't enjoy it, what part of it would be the part you didn't like?

I WOULD enjoy it. Of course, I know that I would because I have taken such a course, and enjoyed it very much.

I took an Honors course at the University of Georgia. There were only about 10 or so in our class. The Prof would not let us take notes in class. Yet, we had to maintain a notebook.

So one had to listen intently in class - and participate. Then, after class one had best write up what happened, while it was fresh. In the notebook, we had to analyze what we had discussed, and project where the class should go next with the discussion.

Also, in the class, often the Prof would have one of the students take the "hot seat" and lead the discussion.

He was okay with one making a mistake, or even taking an unpopular stance, but what he truly hated (and let you know) was for a person to be wishy-washy or be unwilling to take a stance.

I know such a class would get me very worked up and be bad for me. Debating is not fun when you are too attached to what you think is right.

I still have an issue with Dan about his willingness to let a certain ex-president die choking on a chicken bone.

I still think that no one can predict how they will act at cusp. He doesn't actually know he'd stand around and watch someone die. So talking about it is frustrating and in essence, useless.