I think that, being idealistic, as soon as they realize that a drug is effecting an animal, they should treat it instead of just letting it die a painful death. There's no reason that the scientists need to see the animal actually die to know the strength of the thing they are testing on the animal. Once symptoms begin to show they should treat the animal, or atleast humanely euthanize it.

i agree, no need for it to actually die.

Laws are being proposed everyday about the welfare of laboratory animals, some have passed some havent but conditions have greatly improved in the last few yrs.

it can always improve though.

I mean previous generations didnt need to test things on animals and they actually lived longer than we do today (ancient times)

In my opinion, if a products ingredients NEED to be tested on an animal to see if its safe for human consumption, then it should not be something used by us at all !!!!!!

i dont care what the outcome of those tests are, if it needs to be tested at all, that is a signal to me that it is something we shouldnt be using to begin with

There goes the cure for AIDS. I guess some Medical stuff needs to be tested, but I agree with 3buds, they should have a vet on call at all times and should not let the animal die. No need for that.

I find laboratory testing for animals for humans stuff is outrageous. i agree with helwa, if it has to be tested to work then obvious its not safe in the first place and no matter wat will be harmful to us in one way or another. And for the cure for Aids... its a virus more than likely there is no cure... there's only treatment, I don't believe in letting animals be the testers i believe that if someone wants the cure/treatment badly enough then they should volunteer themselves for the testing!
then again.. this is all personal preference and opinion here.

i agree about the vet but i have so many diseases in my family that as long as the animal isnt suffering i dont see it as wrong. how do we know that they werent testing on things thousands of years ago? i think there is a line that should be drawn but we do need to have some testing for medicatoins. i know you guys dont like to add foreing stuff into your body if it could potentially harm you. what if your body is harming you say diabetes. you have no choice but to do that. keiths cousin almost died a couple weeks ago from juvenile diabetes. if somewhere down the line nobody had tested different kinds of insulin the pumps the glucose meters she would be dead. that is something you cant test on humans. if you give a healthy person insulin or glucotabs it can cause them to become diabetic. yes poor animals get sick and possibly die but honestly i would rather have that than have my family members die. i dont dispute your reasonings or feel malice towards any of them but remember we can all have our opinions so i really hope you dont flame what i have said. be in my shoes and look at all the angles then decide.

OH no, your opinion is totally right w/ me as well.. i was talking more along the line of like.. stupid pills and things that people don't need to take, granted the human life is more valuable than an animals, but still certain things i think shouldn't be done on animals.

You stole the words right out of my mouth ...

Also, can't they give these animals pain killers so they don't suffer? Of course, they're just animals so who really cares about the pain they feel?

did you guys miss that they dont test glucose or insulin on humans those NEED to be tested so that my family members dont die or get sicker

No, I did not miss that Kariva.

lol ok i need a new avatar i forget who i am when i post!