welcome to the forum.by you not keeping them apart when you first got them,it makes them a little harder too train.it can be done but from what you said it will take a while.don't give up.a lot of us who have had a keets for a year or more are still trying.keets differ like people some are fast learners,other you have to give them time,if you been grabing at them or making them come out you've only added to the problem.your keets don't really know you and they have not learn to trust you.until they trust you they will be hard to train.keets are smart and they can sense you mood.so talk softly to them letting them know that you will not harm them.read lisa forum on hand training.good luck and remember easy does it,in time you will win them over.

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