o.k everyone calm down,we're all here I hope for the same reason. to find out what is best for our birds. the key word is birds.let's keep the forus on them.we're all to intellengent to be going thru this.we cannot allow our personal feeling to interfer with gaining knowleg.the correct way to raise and treat out babies. they are all that really matters. there are some people on here with serious problems,let put together and help themI've always been veryproud of the way we respect each other,sometimes advice may sound a little harsh to geta point across when everything else seems to fail,I went thru it and learned from the experience.I'm thankful for it,my birds are doing great and I have 5 keets and 1 teil.