thanks guys....heather, i'll try that! the tthing is he steps up very very well! when he is on the floor and can't fly (he's clipped) he will come to me to lift him up, but after he's up tthats when the biting starts. but i'll do more lattering and also that hand drop thing...i never thought of that!!!!

lewis...thanks for the encouragement....it's just so frustrating and need that encouragement. before him i had a keet that loved me and never ever even thought of bitingn....even since the first day i got him he never bit...he only screamed when he felt threatened in the beginning...so this is a whole new ball of wax for me.